Package linking, abandoned and flash?

So here a few questions:

Why link we to binary packages? I see no reason for this and it will become a problem in the future(outdated packages, wrong platform(amd64, i386, sparc...)

a few examples:

- http://www.lgdb.org/game/ohrrpgce
- http://www.lgdb.org/game/schafkopf
- http://www.lgdb.org/game/boson

Why add we abandoned/dead games?

- http://www.lgdb.org/game/fleur_ii , qt3 is dead
- http://www.lgdb.org/game/boson , kde3 is dead too

Why flash? it isn't native or platform independent

- http://www.lgdb.org/game/tanki_online

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> Why flash? it isn't native or platform independent
I'm also against adding flash games (except those like Machinarium), dunno why did pheonton approved it.

> Why add we abandoned/dead games?
Well, there are openSuse 11.3 packages and Anixx said these games are rather playable, so they still may present interest to people.

> Why link we to binary packages? I see no reason for this and it will become a problem in the future(outdated packages, wrong platform(amd64, i386, sparc...)
Yes, tracking binary packages may be quite difficult. Maybe we shouldn't add them. Let's see what pheonton thinks.

Why link we to binary packages?
No, we should not do it for the reasons sixsixfive mentioned: to much administration, a link to the download page is enough.
If we want packages from repos we should do it the same way as we did it for ubuntu, debian and packman.
read this: http://www.lgdb.org/page/questions_answers

Why add we abandoned/dead games?
Yes, i agree with tuyplayer. We should include these games, if they are available (in this case from a distribution repository)

Why flash?
ahhh, i was asking myself the same question. First thought i had was, no there are other (million) sites for flash games.
then i read the submission guidelines: http://www.lgdb.org/page/submission_guidelines
but there is nothing about flash games.... then i remembered that i had the discussion about flash games with tuxplayer (one year ago) and we decided to make a decision for every flash game individually. So flash games: yes, but every flash game: No.
@sixsixfive if you think tanki online is not important enough we should start a new discussion.

I suggest the following criterion: if the game developers specifically mentioned Linux as a supported platform, the game is acceptable. But this criterion is also not perfect.

Also consider Java-based games (also millions of them), .NET based games, Python-based games etc etc.

> http://www.lgdb.org/game/fleur_ii , qt3 is dead
> http://www.lgdb.org/game/boson , kde3 is dead too

In that case we should remove any games which do not build or require libraries that not present on modern systems. Examples: Railroad Tycoon, Energy Tycoon etc. To run these games you have to search for older libraries over Internet.

This is unlike qt3 and kdelibs3, kdebase3. The latest release of OpenSUSE includes all these libraries and even if they will be removed, they still will remain available in the repositories where the games are located themselves.

Ok let me explain

Why i think Boson is dead?:
the project has no activity since 2006(thats 5 years without any update), the official site (boson.sf.net) hasn't updated since 1st October 2006 18:38:30 GMT. Ok it's still available but dead is dead and it was never a completed game

>In that case we should remove any games which do not build or require libraries that not present on modern systems. Examples: Railroad Tycoon, Energy Tycoon etc. To run these games you have to search for older libraries over Internet.

Well, RT2 is a commercial game and it depends only on a few libraries so you don't need to search for old libraries just use the lokicompat(or the static binary)

Energy Tycoon(http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50855), is a another dead game but you can still build it! the only thing you need to know is how to write a makefile

@Anixx

Please use the edit-button!

> the project has no activity since 2006(thats 5 years without any update),

Are Railroad Tycoon, Energy Tycoon, Alpha Centauri alive then?

> Well, RT2 is a commercial game and it depends only on a few libraries so you don't need to search for old libraries just use the lokicompat(or the static binary)

In the case of Boson you also have nothing to search. It installs with one button click. All necessary is in the same repository and/or the main repo of OpenSUSE.

> but you can still build it!

Sorry I do not know how to build games with no makefiles, autotools etc. Makefile is not usually written manually, but generated by autotools. Regarding Boson, it is not only built, it is automatically rebuilt nearly every day as any packages on which it depends in OpenSUSE change. The rebuild can also be triggered manually at any moment. Current binaries were built yesterday at 14:22.

> Are Railroad Tycoon, Energy Tycoon, Alpha Centauri alive then?

You can't compare these games, because they are done, well tested and stable. Boson was never complete or stable

so let me sum up:

- never complete
- never stable
- outdated(many distros doesn't ship kde3/qt3/arts... anymore(SuSE is one of them[1]))
- dead community
- dead project

this discussion is better done for every game separately,
as i get from the comments we can agree on
- no links to binary packages and
- flash games: individual decision.

dead/abondoned games:
we need to discuss that for every game individually.
-YES as long as a game is still distributed and installation is easy (no compiling no looking for missing libraries on a recent system) (e.g. from repos)
-YES if above is not true but the game is played and has a community.
-YES if above is not true but the game is important (e.g. historic or as reference)
-No if none of the above is true.

> never complete
> never stable
How do you measure it? It was included in several distributions (Mandriva, PC LinuxOS, PLD, Gentoo). It means it was stable enough for release.
> outdated(many distros doesn't ship kde3/qt3/arts... anymore(SuSE is one of them[1]))
OpenSUSE (both 11.3 and upcoming 11.4) includes kdelibs3, arts and of course qt3. But this does not matter, because the user does not have to bother - he just installs with 1-click install.
> dead community
> dead project
Please tell me do RT2, Electricity Tycoon, Alpha Centauri are alive projects or have alive community or so?

It WAS included in early distros.
When I tried Boson on Ubuntu 7.10 it was unfinished and unplayable. But many things were unstable and did not work on Ubuntu back then.

Ubuntu as well has a 1-click install, the game just isn't in a playable state...